{"id":1740,"date":"2011-11-13T19:41:21","date_gmt":"2011-11-13T18:41:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.iese.edu\/martinezabascal\/?p=1740"},"modified":"2011-11-25T10:39:30","modified_gmt":"2011-11-25T09:39:30","slug":"goldman-muchas-opiniones-y-muy-pocos-datos","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.iese.edu\/martinezabascal\/2011\/11\/13\/goldman-muchas-opiniones-y-muy-pocos-datos\/","title":{"rendered":"Goldman: \u00a1muchas opiniones y muy pocos datos!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Jim O\u2019Neill, presidente de la gestora de Goldman Sachs dice: <em>\u201csi echamos un vistazo atr\u00e1s, es bastante obvio que s\u00f3lo Alemania, Fracia y Pa\u00edses Bajos son candidatos ideales para una uni\u00f3n monetaria\u201d (Ver Expansi\u00f3n 8\/11\/11 y web de The Sunday Telegraph)<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Pues bien, echemos el vistazo atr\u00e1s y veamos los datos hist\u00f3ricos de Alemania, Francia, Italia y Espa\u00f1a desde el 2000 al 2010. Todos los datos salvo el \u00faltimo son promedio anual.<\/p>\n<table width=\"482\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"227\"><\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\"><strong>Spain<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\"><strong>Italia<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"67\">\n<p align=\"center\"><strong>Germany<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\"><strong>France<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"227\">\n<p align=\"left\"><strong>Economic Growth 2000-10<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">2,4%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">0,6%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"67\">\n<p align=\"center\">1,1%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">1,4%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"227\">\n<p align=\"left\"><strong>Deficit pre crisis 2000-07<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">0,3%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">-2,9%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"67\">\n<p align=\"center\">-2,2%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">-2,7%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"227\">\n<p align=\"left\"><strong>Deficit during crisis 2008-10<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">-8,2%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">-4,2%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"67\">\n<p align=\"center\">-2,2%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">-5,9%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"227\">\n<p align=\"left\"><strong>Public debt 2000-07<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">48%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">106%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"67\">\n<p align=\"center\">64%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">62%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"227\">\n<p align=\"left\"><strong>Public debt in 2010<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">60%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">119%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"67\">\n<p align=\"center\">83%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"bottom\" nowrap=\"nowrap\" width=\"63\">\n<p align=\"center\">82%<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>En los 7 a\u00f1os anteriores a las crisis, Espa\u00f1a es el \u00fanico pa\u00eds que ha tenido super\u00e1vit p\u00fablico. Italia ha tenido un d\u00e9ficit p\u00fablico muy similar al de Alemania y Francia. Recordemos que durante cuatro a\u00f1os (2002 a 205, ambos inclusive) Alemania super\u00f3 el d\u00e9ficit del 3% marcado por la Uni\u00f3n Europea. Pero nadie protest\u00f3. Por cierto, Portugal se lo hab\u00eda saltado antes y le pusieron una multa.<\/p>\n<p>Durante la crisis Espa\u00f1a ha tenido un d\u00e9ficit p\u00fablico desbocado. Pero eso no es un problema estructural del pa\u00eds, sino un problema coyuntural motivado por un gobierno manirroto. En estos a\u00f1os de crisis Italia ha tenido menos d\u00e9ficit que Francia.<\/p>\n<p>Espa\u00f1a es el pa\u00eds que tiene menos deuda p\u00fablica del \u00e1rea euro. Y por cierto, es el \u00fanico que ha crecido de verdad en la \u00faltima d\u00e9cada.<\/p>\n<p>With all due respect Mr. O\u2019Neill, I don\u2019t see the facts that justify your assertion about Germany&amp; France vs Italy &amp; Spain.<\/p>\n<p>Opinar es libre, cierto. Pero ser\u00eda deseable que las opiniones estuvieran basadas en datos y no en juicios a priori sobre la maldad de unos y la bondad de otros. Estas opiniones, cuando vienen de personas con importantes responsabilidades en los mercados, pueden hacer y hacen, mucho mal.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Goldman Sachs opina sobre Alemania, Italia, Francia, Espa\u00f1a dentro del euro. Una vez m\u00e1s, muchas opiniones y ni un dato que las justifique. Opinar es libre. 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